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blast off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast

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that's right my name is ryan the

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original

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outlaw of the airwaves bringing you an

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epic

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episode tonight and on today's episode

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of hero paranormal podcast we have

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janice kiefer moore paranormal

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enthusiast

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researcher and long time friend not only

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is janice passionate about the

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paranormal she is

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constantly striving to learn more about

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it when i owned and operated the

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strawberry river bed and breakfast in

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the uintah basin of

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utah janice was not only my favorite

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client but also one of the most frequent

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so it comes as no surprise she is on the

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episode today

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on today's episode we are going to

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discuss various things

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among them the errantia book sometimes

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called the arantea papers

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or the fifth epical revelation

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a spiritual philosophical and religious

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book

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that originated in chicago sometime

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between 1924

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and 1955 the authorship remains a matter

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of speculation

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it has received various degrees of

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interest ranging from praise to

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for its religious and science content

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its unusual length

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and its lack of a known author we'll get

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into other stuff too

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but let's get to it janna's key for more

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welcome to the hero paranormal podcast

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thank you ryan for having me on

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oh i'm excited i'm excited and there's

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so much to discuss

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and oh tons yes you know

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you have been interested in the

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paranormal for a long time and

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whether it was back when we were

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trudging along the uintah basin of utah

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looking for high strangeness

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or ghost hunting in salt lake city

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you've always kind of kept your pulse on

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things

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i was really interested when you

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mentioned this orontia book

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for the listeners you know a lot more

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about this than i do

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what what is it and how did you come

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and i purchased it and then

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it was almost too heady for me at the

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time i couldn't

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even conceive of what it was talking

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even in my mind you know the hierarchy

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of of the things they were discussing

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but it really started with a lady

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who went to the this uh husband and wife

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doctor team in chicago the saddlers

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and she went to get help for her husband

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he would go to sleep she couldn't wake

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him up and he would be talking in

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about things that that scared her she

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didn't understand it

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so she had originally gone to get help

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for her husband

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and anything one thing led to another

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and they realized he was in a

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trance-like

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state and he was dictating

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information and so they

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started hiring um you know a scribe

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and um all these documents came out and

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it really started about 1911

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but all the information was not compiled

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all of the readings were not compiled

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about 53 i believe and so

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that is what began they don't know the

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authors because

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authorship remains

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a mystery because it a lot of these

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sometimes even technologies

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it seems that a lot of people claim that

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this stuff is almost

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channeled like you say and right it's

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just wild how that comes about

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now well along the same lines you know

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edgar casey and he dictated

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quite a bit his story is also unique

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excuse me and how he started going into

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states and dictating information

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about health and cures

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for the human conditions

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it is strange edgar casey is one that

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just baffles me

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you know the the skeptics have tried so

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to debunk so much of what he's done and

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it's it's practically impossible

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i know it is i i got into him back also

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in my early twenties and

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my parents actually belonged to the

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organization that was developed

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around his readings the association for

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research and enlightenment the are

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and they had meetings at our home

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and of like-minded people

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and discussed all of that so i've been

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into this

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form for a very very long time since

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you know my early teenage years

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but what drew me to it again quite

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frankly as i was losing

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all faith and everything i didn't

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i just couldn't i just couldn't

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do it i there was nothing showing me

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that

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there was any rhyme or reason to this

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universe

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so i kind of hit rock bottom and for

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some reason

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i thought about the urantia book and

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i went on my kindle and i bought a copy

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god you can get it for less than four

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dollars

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on a reader electronic version

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and i started reading it and again got

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overwhelmed

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with the first part of it because

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there's so much in it that we cannot

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conceive because our understanding

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is not there it's just not there our

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can't grasp all of it so you know i

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you just take a chapter at a time i

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would read maybe a couple of pages then

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put it aside and lay back with my eyes

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and reflect on what it said and try to

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put it in some kind of order in my mind

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try to imagine it and it's very hard the

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first part of the book

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and so i kind of cheated i skipped on

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over to some other things just just to

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break it

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up and read more

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and then it became more and more

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sensible to me and frankly

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it makes the most sense to me of

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anything i have

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ever read about spirituality

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or religion

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anything it's so

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concise and so detailed about the life

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of christ it goes year by year

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from when he was born telling what

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he did in his life what it was like what

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he was feeling what he was

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doing everything and it's

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nothing like what we've been taught

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i mean it is and it isn't there is a lot

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also in you know the old testament and

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the new testament

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but it is just a scratch of the surface

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those books were written you know uh

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two to four hundred years after the life

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of christ and

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the new testament anyway and it's

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you know we just don't have the complete

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old testament you know my mom always

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the old testament is man's

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idea of god

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and what they thought he was

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all about and so there's

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there's just a lot of them i wouldn't

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say misinformation but

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misinterpretation

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of a lot of what these authors were

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and a lot of it's missing a lot of it

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is missing and also as my mom and dad

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it's still being written

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so you know i couldn't go by that

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frankly the bible always confused me

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it's like this doesn't make sense this

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doesn't make sense

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this is too simplistic this is silly

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of wrath and punishment i thought that

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that went on i thought

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now come on this this doesn't sound like

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she got me

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ryan yeah there you are oh okay

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the book and the first part this is

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telling us about the central universe

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universes and that's

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really hard to follow then the second

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history of urantia which is actually

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and our universe and the fourth part

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is the largest and it is the life and

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teachings of jesus

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chapters if you will there's detailed

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of it explains a lot from the bible the

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the sons of and daughters of this and

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that and the other

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you wonder who who were these people

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what are they talking about in the bible

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explains it and

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it does go into the fact that we are

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not the only life form that was created

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in this universe there's millions

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they have different physiological

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bodies if you will some cannot be seen

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by us everybody is made up of different

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chemistries and

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every species different chemistries

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some can be seen some cannot be seen by

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us because our spectrum

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of sight is so limited

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and so reading through all this it's

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really so many things are popping back

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into my head about

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whatever they saw there that looked like

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a cloaked figure

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that you could just see the air movement

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but you couldn't see exactly what it was

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it reminded me of that it's all starting

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to swirl around and come together in my

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it's fascinating and there's no surprise

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that it it's received uh

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criticism of course as most really

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and whenever you have content like this

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it seems like the easiest thing from a

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human perspective is to try to debunk it

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or at least that's what some of the

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population does

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oh yeah myself included i see no

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contradictions yet

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so absolutely no contradictions with

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other

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uh between you know the bible and casey

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readings

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any conflict i only see

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and more detail on it

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it's when sense to me than anything i

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have ever ever read

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and i'm absolutely you know mesmerized

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by it and i've only been

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reading this fully for a week mm-hmm

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you know again i have to stop sit back

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reflect on it

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i try to you know find any flaws

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in it doesn't matter i'm an idiot

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because i was

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giving these exact dates jesus was born

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on august 21st

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7 bc and then

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information about

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um 3 bc two bc all this i was going wait

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a minute you're going backwards instead

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of forwards this doesn't make any sense

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oh my god i was so i was laughing at

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myself

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i thought okay jonas it's not going

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backward it's going forward

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towards 80 years

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confused by that i think i probably

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would have been too

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and the the coolest thing is that you're

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mentioning edgar casey because i just

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recently spoke

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uh with the gentleman who's an expert on

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an area called the penny royal plateau

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in kentucky

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and it's one of the largest geomagnetic

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areas in the united states if not the

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largest

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a huge anomaly and it seems like some of

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these areas

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much like the penny royal and the uintah

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basin

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sedona and other parts of the world

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where you have these unusual spikes in

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geomagnetic

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electromagnetic fields etc there's an

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interesting correlation with just

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synchronicity and coincidence

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and uh edgar casey is like i said from

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that area so

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it's really strange how all these things

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seem to uh

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be in layers and and chicago some

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the time that we're discussing that area

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was

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just chalk full of ceremonial magicians

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uh all kinds of esoteric groups

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and it's just a matter of fact you know

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not speculation but

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i mean it was just it seems like it was

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bursting at the seams with all this

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information so it's really neat that

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the book is in some way shape or form

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its origin is kind of from

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yeah it that's very interesting and a

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lot of

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the explanations in this book

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also make me think of and relate back to

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yeah absolutely on the right track and

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um

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electric and magnetic

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powers have a lot have everything to do

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with tuning in more to

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it really does and you know we our

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brains

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our hearts us we are literally

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you know defined by small electric

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pulses

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and yet exactly you know it's so funny

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that we

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dis or a majority of the population

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disregards

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some of this information and speculate

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it's really a revelation to me that you

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know of course we're going to be tuned

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into particular things that are

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electromagnetic

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right right and also it can be an

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adverse reaction

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as well because we're so limited in this

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three-dimensional world

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that something that powerful can of

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course damage us

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and we have to be very careful on how we

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use it

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and try to harness it but

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to me the flow can be

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very beneficial if people learn how to

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use it correctly

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i think so i mean part of who we are

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i mean the spark that flew you know

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that touched off everything that touches

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off life

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it's it's absolutely amazing

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and it it is

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still a mystery it

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is and and it's it's funny how

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you know we have for example let's just

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take the medical field

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and we have like a pacemaker that with a

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very small like you said spark or

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electromagnetic pulse can keep us alive

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yet we will walk by or under

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you know power lines or transformers and

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just think that we're completely immune

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it's it's mind-boggling it's just

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mind-boggling to me that

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people don't realize and i i don't know

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where to sit on 5g i don't have enough

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information

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but there's so many things like that

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that

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um you know we eat out of microwaves

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without fear

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and we're just not i don't know if we

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are like you said fully awake or aware

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of our surroundings i don't think we are

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at all i think we're still

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infants in every aspect

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of living in this three-dimensional

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world i think

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that we're still babes in the woods

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and we need to progress we need to

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evolve

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more in order to understand more

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but everybody's focus is on

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all this day-to-day living stuff they

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don't take enough time out of their day

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to reflect to meditate whatever it is

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that makes them sit still and think

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about this world

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and how they can better it there's not

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enough people

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that are turning their focus that way to

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create the evolution

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they need mm-hmm

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in order to live a better life take care

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of the planet

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things such as that that have been

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from what everything i read we as humans

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have been entrusted to take care of

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and we're not we're simply not

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no we're blowing it and it's funny that

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um

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you you mentioned that because it does

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seem like when you look through history

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those who make the biggest contributions

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the philosopher class the elites etc

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are those who have more time to

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as you said ponder the long game and not

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be dealing with the short game of

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day-to-day life and it's usually those

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that are philosophizing

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speculating and really tapping into

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whatever it is well as

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christ said you know you live in the

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world but not of it

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i love the of the world and

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he kept his focus on the big picture

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[Music]

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absolutely showing trying to show us how

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to do it ourselves

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but you know this world right now is so

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consumed with materiality

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that they're not prone to

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reach higher than that at this stage

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so you know evolution is going to be you

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know more evolution it's constantly

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changing

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and uh it's gonna it's gonna get us

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there one day but

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not until people start looking within

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isn't that the truth and i should

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mention you're in upstate new york

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correct janice

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right and i from what i understand

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that area has really kind of blown up

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through this

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pandemic uh people leaving the city

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trying to get back to the roots trying

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to get back to

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basics well you know i

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i haven't seen a lot of this here but

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i mean i'm up in binghamton so you know

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i'm kind of

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on the border of pennsylvania and new

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york

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uh right in the middle of the state so

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you know i'm i'm

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three and a half hours away from the big

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city

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north of it so you know that may be true

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of the city

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but up in this area that's pretty much

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same as it was when i got here i don't

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see any mass

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exodus to come up here but i'm sure

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there's a lot in the city that have

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gone north into some of the smaller

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you know little hamlets and villages

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there

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and still commute into the city it's

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it's not that hard

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i think you're right i think they they

509
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kind of get limited at about that two

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hour mark they don't want to be

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too far from the the hustle and bustle

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and

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you know it reminds me um speaking of a

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couple hours from the city the uintah

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basin

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compared to salt lake city it seems like

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the more rural areas

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tend to have more going on

519
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have in the area you're in is there a

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lot of that

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um you know i don't hear too much about

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it up around

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here lately but uh

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there there has been some here and there

525
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but the biggest one of course was in the

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60s at fine bush

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and to this day pine bush has their

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little ufo festival every year

529
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but because of all the attention it

530
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attracted they've banned people from

531
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going to the spots where

532
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the ufos touched down

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and uh one was a jewish cemetery so that

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they've kind of banned people from

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hanging around and trying to get in

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there and

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you know research and stuff but hudson

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valley is known for it

539
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so you're getting up around oh

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poughkeepsie

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uh where the vanderbilt uh mansion is

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and fdr's home

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is in hyde park which is right by

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poughkeepsie

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and hudson river seems to attract a lot

546
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that's a big big river let me tell you

547
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yeah like nothing i've seen out west at

548
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all this

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is humongous river

550
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it does seem it does seem like water has

551
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something to do with a lot of these

552
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anomalies

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and getting back to the uintah basin you

554
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used to come up

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all the time we spent a lot of time out

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there

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you know the the more i've learned it

558
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:01,520
seems like the less

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my you know my theories change

560
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yeah what we have to because

561
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,679
you know nothing seems to ever be the

562
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,679
same twice out there

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no it doesn't it really you know it

564
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really doesn't it

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it just when you think you're getting a

566
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:21,120
grasp of it you're

567
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:23,279
you're you're flipped on your head and

568
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:25,840
you you have no grasp at all

569
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in right in your opinion of course this

570
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is a

571
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big question i i don't have the answer

572
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:32,799
to it

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00:25:38,390 --> 00:25:35,279
what do you think is going on up there i

574
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:38,400
mean i have to ask everybody that

575
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:41,679
well honestly i'm a big fan and

576
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:45,039
follower of quantum physics

577
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:49,200
and i do believe that there is

578
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:52,400
a portal point between

579
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,080
parallel worlds i really do

580
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:58,640
uh that stuff has been proven by quantum

581
00:26:02,630 --> 00:25:59,600
physics

582
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:02,640
and um they got a way to go

583
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:07,360
but they're proving it and i think it's

584
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:11,200
easy to imagine

585
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:14,000
like a you know the double rings on

586
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:17,520
saturn that there is a parallel

587
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,789
in between what they called in the old

588
00:26:29,350 --> 00:26:23,679
books the

589
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:32,549
that's to me a portal to another

590
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,029
so i think myself i think

591
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:42,400
there may be other life forms

592
00:26:47,990 --> 00:26:45,919
like was discussed in this book

593
00:26:50,830 --> 00:26:48,000
there's other life forms that are either

594
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,840
an appel parallel world

595
00:26:56,710 --> 00:26:53,200
or possibly

596
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:56,720
coming through those portals

597
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,799
and seeing what we're all about

598
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:03,200
i don't know what's drawing them to the

599
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:07,279
ranch specifically but

600
00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:11,600
as tricky as they are i'm not sure

601
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:13,520
they may be advanced obviously they're

602
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:15,360
advanced but

603
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:17,840
it's almost like their teenage kids are

604
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:19,840
getting across to pull the prankster

605
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,460
stuff

606
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,399
[Music]

607
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:25,679
and i just think it is a life form that

608
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:26,480
we

609
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:30,960
do not know yet and possibly cannot see

610
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:39,269
however they want to appear to us if

611
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:41,200
they can lower their

612
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,039
vibrational frequency enough to

613
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:47,600
become matter because you know the

614
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:48,080
higher the

615
00:27:55,269 --> 00:27:51,919
frequency of anything

616
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,279
you can't see from

617
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:58,240
our perspective you can't see it so if

618
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,520
they could lower their vibrational

619
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:04,240
essence then they would appear it would

620
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:05,600
you know become

621
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:09,679
matter and you could see them

622
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:12,480
but this is all just swirling in my head

623
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:12,960
from

624
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:16,000
you know science and what i've read

625
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:19,360
and what i've seen i just think

626
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:22,799
it's kind of a portal play between

627
00:28:28,830 --> 00:28:26,159
different creatures and possibly

628
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:30,710
worlds i don't know

629
00:28:37,029 --> 00:28:34,000
why they think it's so interesting there

630
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,039
um but

631
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,240
everything to me seems to be

632
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:43,440
underground and

633
00:28:50,389 --> 00:28:46,960
there's so much emphasis

634
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:50,399
since you know the 90s on

635
00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:54,000
documenting and taking pictures and

636
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:54,799
using

637
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:58,720
instruments and to me

638
00:29:02,630 --> 00:29:01,600
put all that away don't don't sit and

639
00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:02,640
try to

640
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,760
qualify at first and get evidence sit

641
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:07,520
down

642
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:10,880
and try to connect with it

643
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:14,159
on a one-on-one basis where you're not

644
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:18,799
threatening and you can communicate

645
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:22,240
with whatever is there offer friendship

646
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,600
communicate try to draw it in to just

647
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:27,600
exchange

648
00:29:31,830 --> 00:29:30,880
information and put away all the

649
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:31,840
counters and

650
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:34,559
all the instruments and just leave that

651
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:34,880
for

652
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,000
later because no matter what you do

653
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,200
my god if nibs couldn't do it these guys

654
00:29:45,510 --> 00:29:43,520
now although they're making a great

655
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:45,520
attempt

656
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:47,039
they're not going to be able to do what

657
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:51,990
and it's so true about the

658
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:54,000
instrumentation and science you know

659
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,880
i i sometimes will go up with people and

660
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,559
pull out all the gear and you get the

661
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:01,279
praise like oh wow look at all this gear

662
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:04,720
but the reality is when you shut that

663
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:07,279
all down when you turn everything off

664
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:08,320
and

665
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:12,240
you just exactly it more happens

666
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,399
and that is fascinating to me because

667
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,640
it's really as if all the gear just gets

668
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:20,320
in the way

669
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:24,640
yes and and it's it it really can't

670
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,080
it can't pinpoint um you'll you'll get

671
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:30,080
you'll get some sympathetic

672
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:32,399
electromagnetic frequencies k2 meters

673
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:33,520
things like that

674
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:36,799
and even even what yeah it just does

675
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:39,600
not do the same as when you turn

676
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:40,799
everything

677
00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:42,640
yeah you could get more information by

678
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:44,480
trying to communicate

679
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,840
absolutely absolutely and

680
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:50,000
try to show that you're not there to

681
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:51,679
endanger

682
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:54,960
anything that you just want to

683
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:58,159
exchange communication

684
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:00,559
and to me that is the best approach to

685
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,039
any of that

686
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,240
any paranormal investigation

687
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:08,799
i don't put much back into you know

688
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:10,640
every time i've hauled around camera

689
00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:13,279
try field meter recorder all that stuff

690
00:31:19,269 --> 00:31:16,840
it's like it gets in my way i want the

691
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:19,279
experience

692
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,679
know i want to communicate

693
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,760
why else am i there i'm not there to

694
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:26,799
take pictures

695
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,600
and and try to prove to somebody else

696
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:31,039
i'm trying

697
00:31:36,310 --> 00:31:35,120
to get it myself get some kind of back

698
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:36,320
and forth

699
00:31:42,630 --> 00:31:40,880
and it just doesn't make sense to me

700
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,640
to try to prove to the world something's

701
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:44,720
there until you believe in proving it to

702
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:45,440
yourself

703
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:49,200
first very true

704
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,720
and it's it's the best i think the best

705
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:54,480
experiences i've had is when

706
00:31:57,909 --> 00:31:57,200
when i'm with researchers that know more

707
00:32:00,389 --> 00:31:57,919
than me

708
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,399
and there's been times when like you

709
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:02,880
said i'm clamoring with cameras and

710
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:06,559
meters and all this visual spectrum bs

711
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:09,120
and you know they're telling me just put

712
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:09,840
that down

713
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:12,640
you're gonna miss the show and you do

714
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,000
you miss the show when you

715
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,279
are it it's almost like you're trying to

716
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:18,960
sneak up on something and you're covered

717
00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:20,880
in pots and pans clamoring

718
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,230
yeah that uh that's exactly

719
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:31,519
a great um whatever i'm

720
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:33,679
trying to say i i lose my thoughts

721
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,320
sometimes but

722
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:39,360
the thing is you're right more does

723
00:32:43,850 --> 00:32:40,640
happen

724
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,860
remember when we were coming back from

725
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:45,039
[Music]

726
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,240
the ranch and we were

727
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,720
driving on that street road and we

728
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,000
looked to the left

729
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:54,399
and far off you know it was a

730
00:32:58,789 --> 00:32:56,399
neighborhood a row of houses with their

731
00:32:59,190 --> 00:32:58,799
backs to us and the back fences towards

732
00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:59,200
us

733
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:02,480
and we saw a huge tree that

734
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,240
was just go up in flames

735
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,640
do you remember seeing that tree just

736
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,880
that red light was so intense and

737
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:12,159
unusual

738
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,399
it looked like it was on fire from hell

739
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:19,039
and i mean i know it was split seconds

740
00:33:22,710 --> 00:33:20,159
we discussed we can

741
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,720
get over there and help can whatever and

742
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,159
just a little bit later

743
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:26,960
driving by then it it was totally dark

744
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:28,720
again

745
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:35,110
yeah and it was a huge tree i mean like

746
00:33:38,870 --> 00:33:36,320
the burning bush

747
00:33:39,590 --> 00:33:38,880
times a hundred it was higher than the

748
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:39,600
house

749
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:43,440
yes it was just blazing

750
00:33:49,590 --> 00:33:47,440
red fire

751
00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,600
that was strange i'll never be able to

752
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,440
understand that one but

753
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,840
i think it was meant for us because you

754
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,240
know no lights came on no

755
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,640
anything in the other houses and you and

756
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,559
i saw it and then it was gone

757
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,080
of course you've had a whole lot more

758
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:03,919
experiences than me

759
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,159
in that respect but that baffles me

760
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,200
and everything else

761
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:14,320
out there i was watching

762
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,919
uh the last episode of the secret of

763
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:20,480
skinwalker ranch and there was one part

764
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,359
of it

765
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:24,399
that hit home to me the first time you

766
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:25,440
took me out there

767
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:30,960
you me and adam i got out of the car

768
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,919
i started walking towards because you

769
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:35,520
guys were looking at two white

770
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:37,679
orb lights that were up on top of the

771
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:38,800
ridge

772
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:41,359
and so i was walking towards the front

773
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:42,720
of the car

774
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:46,320
and those two lights looked like

775
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:49,280
beiges were coming straight at me in a

776
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,040
millisecond

777
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,520
and i started shuffling back and trying

778
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,520
to open the door

779
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,599
to get back in because it frightened me

780
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,000
that it was coming straight at me

781
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:02,320
in a split second my mind said this is

782
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:03,040
what you came

783
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:06,880
out here for don't go get in the car

784
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:09,359
and i didn't open it and i looked around

785
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:11,839
and they were back up on the mountaintop

786
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:13,760
i'll never forget that and something

787
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:16,320
similar was discussed and shown

788
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:24,150
you know it is amazing the the the way

789
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:25,280
that these things can

790
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:28,240
range the the ground that these lights

791
00:35:31,589 --> 00:35:29,520
can cover and

792
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:31,599
you know a lot of people various

793
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,640
explanations

794
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,640
you know oh it's just ball lightning you

795
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,320
know there could be a degree of that

796
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:38,880
but the way that these things move is

797
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,040
just so intelligent

798
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:44,160
oh yeah it's there's

799
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:47,280
intelligence behind it for sure and

800
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:50,720
um you know i remember us we would hear

801
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:52,880
little girls laughing off in the bushes

802
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:53,760
and then we

803
00:36:01,829 --> 00:35:57,760
we went to that other vantage point

804
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:01,839
and heard drums

805
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,280
indian drums and

806
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,320
conversation or ritual whatever was

807
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:10,160
happening we heard running water we

808
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:10,960
heard

809
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,160
you know little girls and that was all

810
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,920
very eerie and i thought well you know

811
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:17,280
we're out here

812
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,520
and sound carries really far

813
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,680
so i couldn't be sure you know if there

814
00:36:28,710 --> 00:36:25,440
wasn't some

815
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,720
native american ritual going on where

816
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,359
they were banging drums and

817
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,920
singing and whatever but it was very

818
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,160
eerie

819
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:38,560
yeah those though those moments are

820
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:39,280
eerie and

821
00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:41,760
it's it's strange how they replicate

822
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,200
it's not the first time it probably

823
00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:45,520
won't be the last but

824
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:48,640
it there's almost it almost seems as if

825
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:51,920
the sound travels but the source

826
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:59,109
yeah absolutely that there was too many

827
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:00,960
things out there and

828
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:04,000
um uh also it

829
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:06,640
i don't know can i mention your place

830
00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:07,200
sure

831
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:10,800
absolutely when we were there

832
00:37:15,990 --> 00:37:14,240
and um we were all on the patio after

833
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,000
dinner you know killing time

834
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,280
until it got really dark and remember

835
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:20,880
adam and lindsay

836
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,599
jumping up from the step on the patio

837
00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:24,640
and running back

838
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:29,359
saying they saw something on all fours

839
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:31,839
crawling really fast towards them across

840
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:32,880
the pasture

841
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:34,839
do you remember that i do remember that

842
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:36,960
yeah

843
00:37:43,109 --> 00:37:40,079
that was weird

844
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,119
super weird we didn't see it chris i

845
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:45,119
wasn't looking at the time both of them

846
00:37:49,829 --> 00:37:46,240
were looking out there

847
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,839
but that that was very strange and

848
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:51,359
didn't understand that

849
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:54,480
but there's been so many things in my

850
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:56,720
life that were strange and i didn't

851
00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:02,069
i wished and someday we'll have the

852
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:06,560
answers i'm sure and i think it's all

853
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:10,320
information that all these happenings

854
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:11,920
are things that we just don't understand

855
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,599
because we don't have the capacity for

856
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,359
it right now

857
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:18,160
so many things have been discovered

858
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:19,200
through the years

859
00:38:22,790 --> 00:38:21,520
that we're still in the baby stages here

860
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:22,800
with this sort of thing

861
00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:24,960
i think we're being introduced to it

862
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,150
and you know we won't be afraid of it

863
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:32,400
when it actually

864
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:35,280
comes out it's true and it's almost like

865
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:35,680
we're

866
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:38,880
uh observers are receivers of sorts

867
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,240
because

868
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:42,240
when these things take place if you have

869
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,119
10 people witness the same thing

870
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:47,359
it is very strange how some will see

871
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,160
nothing

872
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,160
some will see the same thing and then

873
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:51,839
sometimes you'll get people that see

874
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:57,200
completely different things exactly

875
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:00,720
it's very subjective

876
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,040
and especially the ranch i think the

877
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:05,599
experiences are very subjective

878
00:39:11,430 --> 00:39:09,119
and i do think to appoint

879
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:11,440
some things there and i can't say it's

880
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:14,240
all the same thing at the ranch

881
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:17,760
it could be different things but some of

882
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,870
almost feed off the fear

883
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,950
they love those those emotions they love

884
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:28,000
the highs and lows

885
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:30,720
for some reason that that's good stuff

886
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,440
but you know

887
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,560
our bodies give off that energy whether

888
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:36,480
it's negative energy and fear

889
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:40,160
or positive energy and happiness

890
00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:44,560
or profound awestruck

891
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,480
emotions it's you know it's going to

892
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:47,920
feed off of

893
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:50,720
off of that in some way and i do believe

894
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:52,400
there's positive and negative

895
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,200
and that there is going to be some

896
00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:59,200
some negative not everybody's going to

897
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:02,720
be a nice guy i'll put it that way

898
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:04,640
doesn't mean they're going to be deadly

899
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:05,839
just that

900
00:40:12,230 --> 00:40:10,400
they're jerks and the trickster

901
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,240
i love to talk about the trickster and

902
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,079
the you in a basin because it's so

903
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,800
cool that this what we're talking about

904
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:19,200
i say they we really don't know but

905
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:22,160
whatever it is not only is intelligent

906
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:24,880
but seems to have a sense of humor

907
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,839
oh yeah and you know they may think it's

908
00:40:31,690 --> 00:40:29,760
really funny but it's scaring the

909
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:31,700
bejesus out of people

910
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,920
[Music]

911
00:40:37,190 --> 00:40:35,839
and you know they know they're not

912
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,200
harmful so they

913
00:40:42,069 --> 00:40:39,920
they just laugh about it is in my mind

914
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,079
what's happening but yeah

915
00:40:48,630 --> 00:40:45,599
they're just playing you know having fun

916
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,640
and getting a giggle out of it and doing

917
00:40:52,390 --> 00:40:50,720
something else

918
00:40:53,990 --> 00:40:52,400
you know um it's interesting we kind of

919
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,000
discussed the emotions

920
00:40:57,270 --> 00:40:56,400
uh a little bit because you go out there

921
00:41:00,390 --> 00:40:57,280
with gear

922
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,400
and um very commonly and often

923
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:03,359
as well as other any area that is

924
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:05,359
paranormal in nature

925
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,319
researchers often complain about

926
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:09,839
batteries being drained

927
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:12,560
yet oh yes you know if we are cunning

928
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:12,880
too

929
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,680
yeah you know if we're electromagnetic

930
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,119
beings which we are

931
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:19,440
those highs and lows of emotion are much

932
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:23,440
like a battery and probably also drained

933
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,040
i agree completely

934
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:29,760
that's the essence you know that's

935
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,839
what's running through our bodies

936
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,760
and you know you break down the

937
00:41:37,349 --> 00:41:35,280
chemistry and the chemicals and

938
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:37,359
everything else

939
00:41:44,910 --> 00:41:41,280
of who we are look at the brain

940
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:44,920
it's total synapse and and

941
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:47,599
electromagnetic happenings going on in

942
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:48,319
there

943
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,309
and it is it's fascinating it is just

944
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,640
it's so philosophical and it can

945
00:42:00,309 --> 00:41:58,720
borderline religious when you have these

946
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,319
experiences

947
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,400
wherever they might be you know whether

948
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,200
it's a ghost or a ufo or whatever we

949
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:07,680
believe we are observing as the observer

950
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:08,800
it just reminds me

951
00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:11,680
of frank salisbury and the ufo display

952
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,319
and

953
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,160
how important you know that it is a

954
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,800
display of sorts

955
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:19,280
yeah i think that they're trying to let

956
00:42:21,430 --> 00:42:20,640
us know they're here because the

957
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:21,440
government

958
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:24,800
drags their feet on it and they're just

959
00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,760
trying to get us

960
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:27,520
used to the idea that they're here

961
00:42:33,510 --> 00:42:31,040
they've been here for a long time

962
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:33,520
that could quite possibly put us here

963
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,490
who knows

964
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:36,480
[Music]

965
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:43,270
i don't know you have to start going

966
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,640
back and thinking of course they're

967
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,000
going to be a different species

968
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,760
altogether but

969
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,760
what are they coming here for of all

970
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,680
places well

971
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:54,160
who knows maybe they're coming they put

972
00:42:57,430 --> 00:42:55,599
us here and they're coming to check on

973
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:57,440
us over and over again

974
00:43:01,430 --> 00:43:00,079
because of the times you know like they

975
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,440
showed up over

976
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,839
that nuclear plant and what was it

977
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:05,520
montana or

978
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:08,800
sure nebraska i can't remember and uh

979
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,839
for a good while while they were at the

980
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:13,200
front gate

981
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,680
they totally disarmed our nuclear

982
00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:18,000
missiles that were underneath

983
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:21,839
with ease yeah and it's like no no no

984
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:25,440
you guys don't get to do this

985
00:43:30,069 --> 00:43:28,400
um protecting the rest of the universe

986
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:30,079
and other life forms

987
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,040
from us screwing everything up

988
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:37,599
so i i think they're there to monitor to

989
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:39,200
help

990
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:41,280
and maybe to get you know minerals or

991
00:43:46,230 --> 00:43:43,359
whatever they need from our planet who

992
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,150
there's so many questions and i'm glad

993
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:50,160
you brought the government aspect and

994
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:50,640
how

995
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,760
you know receive media attention

996
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:58,319
i have to ask you what do you make of

997
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,800
all this

998
00:44:02,069 --> 00:44:01,200
all of these pilots seeing these craft

999
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:02,079
in the air and

1000
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,750
um i think that they're just trying to

1001
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:11,520
open up a little more the government i

1002
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:14,560
think is realizing they can't deny this

1003
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:16,640
stuff forever

1004
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:19,119
obviously other countries governments

1005
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:19,680
have come

1006
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,119
forth with some of their files and so

1007
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,839
you know we have to follow but we're

1008
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,560
still not going to give away too much

1009
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:31,040
other than just finally recognize that

1010
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:32,640
they're there they exist

1011
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:34,560
but i don't think they're at a point

1012
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,160
where they're going to

1013
00:44:40,150 --> 00:44:38,400
admit that they've been here a long time

1014
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:40,160
and we're probably working with them

1015
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,650
already

1016
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:43,119
[Music]

1017
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:48,240
because there's been in

1018
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:51,599
the past 50 to 100 years we have come

1019
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:55,440
so far technologically

1020
00:45:02,309 --> 00:44:58,800
that it's beyond

1021
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:02,319
to me what we should be

1022
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:06,240
at right now i think they've had help

1023
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,800
absolutely it seems we we've come a long

1024
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,599
way

1025
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:12,240
real fast and if i was a if i was a

1026
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:12,800
parent

1027
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:16,000
seeing uh us quote unquote children

1028
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,680
coming that fast that quick with our

1029
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,839
small minds i would probably be checking

1030
00:45:25,990 --> 00:45:23,520
in on us too

1031
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:26,000
oh yeah who's filling your head with

1032
00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:30,710
yeah i think they're working together

1033
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:32,640
and they have been for quite some time

1034
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:35,200
probably since the 40s 50s

1035
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:38,880
so i just don't understand

1036
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,119
why they what i do and i don't

1037
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:43,200
understand why they think that we're

1038
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:46,960
such a fragile general population

1039
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,079
that we're gonna go insane and you know

1040
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:52,240
kill ourselves

1041
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:59,910
it's it's to me you know you gotta give

1042
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:02,319
you got to give americans a little bit

1043
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:03,760
more credit than that

1044
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,040
although there will be those that flip

1045
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,319
out and can't handle it so that's why i

1046
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:12,160
think they're introducing themselves

1047
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:13,200
slowly being

1048
00:46:19,270 --> 00:46:17,440
seen more and more to

1049
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:19,280
uh what do you call it in the

1050
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:21,720
psychological term is to

1051
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:25,280
desensitize us

1052
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,240
and oh now i see it in the air oh yeah

1053
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:29,839
that's ufo

1054
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,480
no worries let's go you know it's going

1055
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:33,599
to be

1056
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:37,200
uh so common that

1057
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:38,880
then they can go to the next stage of

1058
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:41,680
introducing themselves

1059
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,640
it's like the commercials you see now

1060
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:46,480
this is how it's done

1061
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:50,560
to desensitize by showing commercials

1062
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,720
of mixed-race couples now more than

1063
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:54,800
you've ever seen them

1064
00:47:02,870 --> 00:46:59,520
and also same-sex couples in commercials

1065
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:02,880
you've only seen really in the past year

1066
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,240
and it's desensitizing people

1067
00:47:09,270 --> 00:47:08,400
letting them see it for themselves to

1068
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,280
realize

1069
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,160
that it's not the boogeyman don't be so

1070
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:19,109
yeah if we if we did what we do with

1071
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:20,000
ufos

1072
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:22,160
whenever we saw a bald eagle or a

1073
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,170
vulture you know oh my gosh

1074
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,119
[Laughter]

1075
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:29,280
it's something we should just accept for

1076
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:30,240
what it is

1077
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:33,520
it's beauty and and it's it's

1078
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:36,960
reality and uh not not con

1079
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:39,680
it's very interesting dynamic between

1080
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:40,559
the uap

1081
00:47:46,230 --> 00:47:44,240
slash ufo phenomenon and our inability

1082
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:46,240
to believe that we are not in control of

1083
00:47:53,190 --> 00:47:52,630
yeah i think that is the bottom line

1084
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:53,200
there

1085
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:57,359
is the fear of the powers that be

1086
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:05,349
uh you know something better and more

1087
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:06,800
highly intelligent

1088
00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:10,079
and more advanced than us is out there

1089
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:10,720
and we

1090
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,920
couldn't stop them if we wanted to if if

1091
00:48:18,390 --> 00:48:16,000
they wanted to harm us which i don't

1092
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:18,400
think they do

1093
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,720
i'm with you we would be long gone

1094
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:22,880
ranging from thousands of years ago

1095
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,030
the abilities that some of these fringe

1096
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:31,520
elements like you said behind the veil

1097
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:32,079
when they

1098
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:38,880
intelligence and the the power that they

1099
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:42,480
exert is just so beyond our capability

1100
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,119
sometimes

1101
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:45,359
i believe as human beings we we like to

1102
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,480
control things we

1103
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,559
this is kind of something we get off on

1104
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:50,720
and when we're not able to control it

1105
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,680
it's just frustrating and i do see that

1106
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,599
frustration in the government right now

1107
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:57,599
i do think they have you know they're

1108
00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:58,800
doing their best but

1109
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:02,000
wow i'm not so sure they're doing

1110
00:49:10,390 --> 00:49:08,390
i think they're doing what they need to

1111
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,400
do to keep raps on it

1112
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:13,760
frankly um

1113
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,800
i i also think

1114
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,960
well look at the things and the myths

1115
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:19,920
that we have

1116
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:23,359
in this country alone much less

1117
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,200
other countries of bigfoot

1118
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:30,400
that could be a different

1119
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:35,760
form of different species of life

1120
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,680
that we just don't get yet

1121
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,760
they're so different from us and maybe

1122
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:43,040
they're coming in and out

1123
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:45,920
i don't know but to me there are

1124
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:47,680
different species

1125
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:51,520
you go to the mothman incident

1126
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:55,359
in point pleasant back in the 60s

1127
00:50:02,150 --> 00:49:58,880
and i think that was another life form

1128
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:02,160
that was trying to warn them and i don't

1129
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,440
know why it was there but it was

1130
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:05,040
certainly next to a

1131
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,790
i don't know what you would call it a

1132
00:50:15,349 --> 00:50:12,800
place where they kept

1133
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,359
artillery or bombs or whatever in those

1134
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,960
bunkers

1135
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,119
and uh that's where you know it was

1136
00:50:22,790 --> 00:50:21,280
spotted time and again

1137
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:22,800
and i don't think it meant to hurt

1138
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:25,680
anybody it's just that they're

1139
00:50:33,910 --> 00:50:29,280
appearance is so different from us

1140
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,750
it's hard to look upon because we've

1141
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,760
never seen anything like it before

1142
00:50:41,589 --> 00:50:40,079
but i think once communication can be

1143
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:41,599
established

1144
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:44,960
and you know no harm

1145
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:48,720
that there could be a great opportunity

1146
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:52,240
for learning and exchanging information

1147
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:53,280
and ideas

1148
00:51:00,790 --> 00:50:59,270
but we can't even accept our own species

1149
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:00,800
so we're not there yet

1150
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:04,480
we can't even accept you know some

1151
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,000
other people from a different race

1152
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,160
or a different country we can't even do

1153
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,920
that yet so i think it's

1154
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,160
it's a ways away but i think it's

1155
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,990
i agree it is you know and and that kind

1156
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:22,000
of brings the ghost topic up we

1157
00:51:28,549 --> 00:51:25,200
we we can't even handle the idea of

1158
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:28,559
us surviving death we can't even

1159
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:31,119
grasp the id and even in an area like

1160
00:51:35,349 --> 00:51:32,000
gettysburg

1161
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:35,359
uh where oh yeah i'm going next month

1162
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,920
oh my gosh i'm so jealous i am so

1163
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:38,880
jealous

1164
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:41,599
yeah adam and bernie are coming for a

1165
00:51:45,190 --> 00:51:42,160
visit

1166
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:45,200
and we're headed out there uh to see

1167
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,950
gettysburg wow i mean and

1168
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:53,040
that i've heard that the rate of

1169
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:54,400
sightings there is just

1170
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:57,440
phenomenal and it's a play you know here

1171
00:52:03,270 --> 00:51:58,160
we know

1172
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:03,280
couldn't get along with each other and

1173
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:04,880
killed the heck out of each other

1174
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:07,200
and yet we see the remnants of that and

1175
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,720
we still

1176
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,400
we're fearful of everything that we

1177
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,480
already know it's it has it needs no

1178
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,160
explanation and people still can't

1179
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:15,920
handle it

1180
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,000
yeah you know and to me the ghost

1181
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:20,800
business and

1182
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:23,040
i've seen you know there's residual

1183
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:25,040
stuff which i think is an imprint in

1184
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,760
time

1185
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:27,599
and when the conditions are right with

1186
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:29,160
the weather with the

1187
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:32,000
electromagnetic activity going

1188
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,960
on in the air that you see this residual

1189
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:36,800
stuff happening

1190
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:40,240
then there's intelligent haunts which

1191
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:44,960
i believe are just in between

1192
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,079
spirits and they're hanging around for

1193
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:49,440
one reason or another

1194
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,160
food nobody knows nobody has gotten that

1195
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,319
far in their communication with them

1196
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:57,280
but either you know they can't move on

1197
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:58,400
or

1198
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:01,599
they won't and so

1199
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:03,520
you see that and maybe there's a

1200
00:53:08,950 --> 00:53:05,920
possibility of communication there

1201
00:53:12,069 --> 00:53:08,960
but from what i've seen so far it's

1202
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:12,079
it's not going to be substantial i mean

1203
00:53:27,030 --> 00:53:12,319
i

1204
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,040
maybe you know

1205
00:53:30,309 --> 00:53:29,119
the spirit will be able to move those

1206
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:30,319
into a sentence

1207
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:33,599
but uh it never panned out and then

1208
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:36,319
take a laptop see if they can type out

1209
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:37,920
the words but

1210
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:40,960
a lot of people you know i don't know

1211
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,920
it didn't really pan out either so that

1212
00:53:47,750 --> 00:53:46,079
form of communication it must be harder

1213
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:47,760
for them

1214
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:51,119
um i haven't seen i

1215
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:54,400
felt i felt them i was at um

1216
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,319
investigation of the lehigh museum

1217
00:54:02,710 --> 00:54:00,720
and liddy and i were sitting on a bench

1218
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:02,720
in one of the display rooms

1219
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:04,960
and all of a sudden just to the right of

1220
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:06,160
me it

1221
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:09,440
felt like a freezer

1222
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,640
like walking into a freezer

1223
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,880
it was only on my right side not on my

1224
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:15,760
left

1225
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:19,760
and lydia can see spirits

1226
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,160
and she said it is a man and he is not

1227
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:27,200
happy at the way we're dressed so you

1228
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,920
know he was from the 1800s or whatever

1229
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:32,000
we're sitting there in shorts and tank

1230
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:33,599
tops and stuff and

1231
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:35,839
but he's not he's not very happy the way

1232
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:38,240
we're dressed

1233
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:41,119
and i i just felt that cold there i'm

1234
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:41,760
more

1235
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,200
feeling like that than seeing anything

1236
00:54:49,589 --> 00:54:47,280
and then another time when we were at

1237
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:49,599
the you were with us at the wendover air

1238
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:50,559
force base

1239
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,799
oh yes uh adam and i had gone through

1240
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:56,319
this one barracks

1241
00:55:04,950 --> 00:54:59,680
and straight out the other end of it

1242
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:04,960
was the was the commissary

1243
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,839
and so adam walked right through it

1244
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:09,839
really fast and i was being careful

1245
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,040
because there were boards

1246
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,640
you know down and stuff and on the floor

1247
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:17,040
and he was outraged to the commissary

1248
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,240
door by the time i hit the middle of the

1249
00:55:27,430 --> 00:55:22,240
barracks

1250
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:31,349
i felt like i was in a rural wind

1251
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:34,720
drunk i was struggling to

1252
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:38,400
stay upright i was whirling and swirling

1253
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:39,280
vertigo

1254
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,480
bad and i cried out to adam and he

1255
00:55:48,069 --> 00:55:44,559
didn't hear me

1256
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:48,079
and i willed myself please yeah just put

1257
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,599
one foot forward so i got my right foot

1258
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:53,119
forward one step

1259
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:56,480
and bam i was out of it i was completely

1260
00:56:02,390 --> 00:55:57,760
okay

1261
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:02,400
i don't know what that was unless

1262
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:05,440
uh something happened right there or

1263
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:08,559
it was a portal i don't know but boy i

1264
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:09,440
couldn't see

1265
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:12,960
it was vertigo everywhere

1266
00:56:17,670 --> 00:56:15,440
wow i didn't know up from down or left

1267
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:17,680
from right or forward and back i didn't

1268
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:20,400
know i was struggling to stay on my feet

1269
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:22,720
and just one step took me out of it i

1270
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:28,390
and you have a lot more experience ghost

1271
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:29,599
hunting than i do

1272
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:32,960
and it is it's been a proven fact to me

1273
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:34,000
i mean it

1274
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:36,000
regardless of the criticism it receives

1275
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:37,280
from people

1276
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,319
it is it i think religion and science

1277
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:43,119
are also involved with that because

1278
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:44,799
there are those temperature spikes that

1279
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,119
are

1280
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:47,119
inexplainable and like those vortexes

1281
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:49,200
like you just described where

1282
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:52,319
you're just taken out of your element oh

1283
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,359
wow that was

1284
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:56,400
that was frightening to me i i i thought

1285
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,000
i was gonna fall down and

1286
00:57:01,430 --> 00:57:00,400
kill myself on a nail in a board or

1287
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,440
something

1288
00:57:05,030 --> 00:57:03,359
you know go through my brain i would all

1289
00:57:06,710 --> 00:57:05,040
this was going through my head while i

1290
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:06,720
was spinning out and

1291
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:09,920
i was scared to death but yeah

1292
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:13,119
that's that's been my two

1293
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:16,160
really obvious things that have happened

1294
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:17,040
to me

1295
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,359
uh there was one at a bowling alley when

1296
00:57:24,470 --> 00:57:20,960
our group first got together

1297
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:24,480
where i did use a recorder and

1298
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:26,720
one of our team was sitting over by the

1299
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,160
lockers

1300
00:57:33,510 --> 00:57:31,119
uh in front of the bowling lanes and i

1301
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,520
was clear on the other side

1302
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,280
and i just walked up to him so it was

1303
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,720
going on on his end

1304
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:38,480
and i had the recorder on and he just

1305
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,240
said no nothing here

1306
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:43,440
but okay so i walked back into

1307
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:47,040
um the little restaurant

1308
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:50,240
bar eatery there you know this was in

1309
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,880
the middle

1310
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:52,720
of the morning this was two three

1311
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:54,160
o'clock in the morning

1312
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:57,760
and i just rewound my

1313
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:00,880
recorder and when i push play

1314
00:58:04,309 --> 00:58:03,520
all you could hear about jim's voice

1315
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:04,319
drowning him

1316
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:07,359
out saying nothing happening here was

1317
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:08,079
slamming

1318
00:58:20,950 --> 00:58:19,510
because it wasn't happening there we

1319
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:20,960
could hear it but

1320
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:23,440
when i was there with jim it was it

1321
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:27,040
happened it was on the recorder

1322
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,440
and the recorders i mean that's definite

1323
00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:30,640
proof i love

1324
00:58:36,150 --> 00:58:33,280
i love when that happens the evps and

1325
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:36,160
jim is a great investigator we gotta oh

1326
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:36,559
yeah

1327
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,839
i miss our investigations janice i i

1328
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,839
can't i could talk to you all day as

1329
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:43,520
you're aware i know we

1330
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,640
we need to talk more often i want you to

1331
00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:48,720
get into this book and we can discuss

1332
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:50,480
that how about that i would

1333
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:53,359
love to um we better wrap up for now at

1334
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,640
least for

1335
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:57,440
can we discuss um your gettysburg trip

1336
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:59,119
after you get back and and definitely

1337
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,480
get more out of the book

1338
00:59:04,789 --> 00:59:02,640
awesome oh yeah we're gonna get we're

1339
00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:04,799
gonna get video we're gonna be there

1340
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,680
all night if we have to yeah we're we're

1341
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:09,119
uh going the

1342
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:10,640
eighth and the ninth we'll be in

1343
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,640
gettysburg so it's only like three and a

1344
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:14,799
half hours from my house so

1345
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:17,200
oh you're so lucky you know driving from

1346
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:18,000
salt lake

1347
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,880
up to idaho falls it's not a bad drive

1348
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:23,040
so yeah we'll do that

1349
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,880
i can't wait to talk to you again and i

1350
00:59:27,270 --> 00:59:26,480
can't thank you enough for coming on the

1351
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,280
podcast

1352
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:29,359
um i hope you have a great day oh

1353
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,319
welcome thank you for having me ryan

1354
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,119
all right we'll talk soon take care man

1355
00:59:40,710 --> 00:59:37,440
oh man i could talk to janice

1356
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,720
all day long so much information

1357
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,640
such an enthusiast such a good

1358
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,119
researcher and such a good friend

1359
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:47,520
so passionate about the paranormal

1360
00:59:51,589 --> 00:59:49,119
always striving to

1361
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:51,599
help others realize things and to learn

1362
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:52,640
things for itself

1363
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:55,839
truly truly a amazing student

1364
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,040
at the school of life and

1365
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:01,440
well until next time keep your eyes to

1366
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,400
the skies

1367
01:00:13,940 --> 01:00:04,720
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1368
01:00:22,630 --> 01:00:13,950
take a look around